My brother Van Jones is on Money & Wealth this week, and I promise you this is not the conversation you are expecting.

Van and I have both spent our lives in the fight for opportunity, from two very different directions. He came up through law, activism, the White House, and the anchor desk at CNN. I came up through the streets and the business world. Where we meet is on one question that matters more than any argument on cable news: what is the plan?

I mean the actual plan, not the slogan. For the family trying to get to a 700 credit score. For the young person who wants to own something instead of rent everything. For a country that talks about the wealth gap and then changes the subject.

We get real about politics, purpose, and money, and we do it as friends who actually like each other. That alone makes it worth the listen.

🎧 Listen now — wherever you get your podcasts, or simply click below.

▶️ Prefer to watch? The full conversation is on my YouTube channel.