This week on Money & Wealth, John Hope Bryant, Founder, Chairman, and CEO of Operation HOPE, sits down with his friend and brother, Dr. Jamal Bryant — Senior Pastor of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church — for a conversation that goes places neither of them expected.

Two men who met on Air Force Two. Two different starting points — one from privilege, one from the streets — arriving at the same destination. Dr. Bryant opens up about a family legacy that included three separate chances to “walk into wealth”… and why every one of them slipped away. (The names of the companies his father turned down will make you wince.)

But this isn’t a story about missed opportunities. It’s about what the Black Church forgot, what our Jewish brothers and sisters never did, and why one of them studies finance through failure while the other bridges from public to private. They go straight at the hard questions: Can we protest our way into ownership? What really happened with the Target boycott? And are we living through a Third Reconstruction?

John holds nothing back on why experience earns the right to speak. Dr. Bryant holds nothing back on the $34 million surprise waiting for him the day he walked into New Birth.

Some conversations you listen to. This one you sit with.

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