I’ll be honest with you: a few years back, I was ready not to like the Koch family. You think you know somebody by their last name, their family’s headlines, your perception of the politics. Then you take time to actually listen. You sit across from them live, with no script, no edits, and what you see is what you get. And then everything you assumed starts to fall away.

This conversation on my Money And Wealth Podcast with Chase Koch and NFL captain Demario Davis turned into one of the most surprising and inspiring I’ve ever had. We got into failure, a family that nearly tore itself apart, building bridges instead of walls, and why two people who “shouldn’t” agree found themselves agreeing on the things that matter most.

Don’t take my word for it. Press play and decide for yourself. I think you’ll walk away cheering for this country again.

John Hope Bryant — founder of Bryant Group Ventures, Operation HOPE, Inc, publisher of the Bryant Journal and author of his 7th book Capitalism for All: Inclusive Economics and the Future Proofing of America, now a bestseller. Bryant was recently named a member of the Forbes 250.